I love fire! So I find this insiders' look into the history of torches to be tons of fun and rather fascinating. In this very informal telephone interview, we find our heroes, Fred Birkhill & Bruce Lawrence, discussing the intricacies of flame and combustion starting at the very beginning. Fred has some torches from ancient Rome! And have you ever seen a gasoline powered crossfire with glass tips? You will here! This animated discussion was initially conducted as a research gathering conversation for Fred's Glass Art Society Lecture on the history of the burner. It was so interesting I decided to release it as a podcast.